Category: Geeks r Us
Hello, all. Many of you on this site have at least tried out Windows 10, but for those of you who have not, I hope what I'm about to say will help someone.
First, and I repeat this point, do not install Win 10 on your primary machine. Although this upgrade is free, Jaws support, at this time, is lacking in many areas. For instance, Jaws will not read the edit fields when configuring a Microsoft account; to be able to get this to work properly, it is necessary to have NVDA, in addition to Jaws. At this time, Jaws has a tendency to freeze quite often, and this is why I do not recommend upgrading if Jaws is your primary screen reader, regardless of what version you have. Freedom Scientific has a lot of bugs to work out, and first-letter navigation is still not possible. If, on the other hand, you don't mind using NVDA, then Win 10 should be fine for you. Because of lacking Jaws support, I have downgraded my PC back to Win 8.1 until the problems with Jaws are resolved and the support is better. I hope this helps anyone looking to upgrade.
Jaws has failed to meet wht FS claimed it would with 10, it is best to move away from it if you want to go to 10 at this time, and most likely will remain that way. NVDA and Window-eyes have very good support for 10, and SA will only get better from what it does already which isn't too shabby. It's only Jaws that has major problems from what I've seen at the moment.
Well great! I just put 10 on my laptop and I only use JAWS. this was 1 day to late.
That's great to know. With JAWS being my primary screen reader - with NVDA having worked very poorly on both my WIndows 7 and 8.1 I'm a bit leary of it. I may need to wait. Thanks for the information.
Righty o, seven it is.
@Post 1, sorry, when you say configuring Microsoft account, is this when the computer first start up or some other time? Also, when did you notice that Jaws frequently freezes; is it when using certain programs or just general use?
Thanks!
The Microsoft Account you configure at start-up, and Jaws freezes just with general usage. HTH.
This is a great topic! Another warning about Windows 10 is many security bugs have not yet been worked out. I am really a bit ashamed of Microsoft for going public with an operating system that behaves as if it is still in beta. Very ashamed indeed.
The OP is right about Jaws freezing and the Microsoft Account thing. Microsoft Edge doesn't work with Jaws or NVDA.
However, generally, even if you just use Jaws, you should be okay. The start menu is better than Windows 8.1's start screen.
Personally, once I found out that I, somebody who has never tried installing Windows, and isn't a geek, would be able to successfully upgrade even though I am completely blind and rely on screenreaders, I wasn't going to wait for Jaws.
If I did, I may be waiting years. If you look at the changes in each Jaws update or NVDA update, you can see that this year they have made improvements to their Windows 8.1 support. I'm sure in 2017 they'll still be improving their support for Windows 10. I can do all the things I did with 8.1. Obviously I would rather Jaws didn't freeze and that is a bit annoying, but it hasn't affected my emotions to the extent that I regret upgrading.
Actually, NVDA does have edge support, especially in the next snapshots. I have used it and rather enjoy what I've seen. They even have first letter navigation now from what I noticed.
my friend has a lanovo pc that he got from rehab, and the thing updated
automatically to win 10, when even he otld it not to do so. and now after that,
he gets a critical error saying that windows and cortana are not working.
windows will attempt to fix this issue when you sign back in. please sign out
now. and he can't do anyting with the system now. he had to run out and get a
win8.1 desktop.
Hm... Zac that is an interesting scenario you described. Personally, I think Microsoft released Windows 10 too prematurely. The operating system still has many bugs, and it dstill performs as if it were in beta. I think what Microsoft doesn't want the public to know is that the reason they released Win 10 for free was that so the public could be the testers. Plus, Microsoft is losing money to competitors like Apple, who offer their updates for free now. My advice: if it ain't broke don't fix it. Stay with what you have as in Win 8.1. People who upgrade will continue to be stuck in the beta mode for along time. ,
Oh, and I'm beginning to wonder about Lenovo. Thinkpads the most reliable? That's yet to be seen, since my mobile broad-band card doesn't work again. And, Zac, if your friend's compt is still under warranty, they should be able to downgrade it easily. Your friend may be able to downgrade it with sighted help; here's how:
1. Open the start menu.
2. Navigate to settings.
3. Choose recovery.
4. Then select update and security. Under this tab, there will be an option to revert back to Windows 8.1. If you friend has recovery media, then he/she can press f12 at start-up and change the boot order so that it boots from the CD/DVDRW drive. Then, he or she would follow the on-screen instructions of course with sighted help. You would have to have a Win 8.1 product key for this to work, however.
Hope this helps,
Nathan.
Am I the only one that isn't having any problems with Win 10? I'm using Jaws 16 and IE mostly. Yes the new Edge brouser doesn't really work but I'm fine with that for now. Haven't had any freezeing issues at all, knocking on wood. :)
I'm not facing any issues with Windows 10 too. I'm using Jaws 16. No Jaws freezing issues or anything like that. Seems pretty stable actually.
So is this an urban legend or is win10 bad news?
I disagree that Windows 10 still has lots of bugs.
It was in beta a long time, and most users are experiencing posibive results with it.
As blind users, we have a bit different problem, but the installation is strong, and works well.
Microsoft told use what was going to work, and what wasn't.
I remember talking to you Nathan on the public side, and suggesting that some people wait until the OS was sent them.
Even Microsoft ask for this, due to maybe the problems you are experiencing.
Your freezing, and other issues, not screen reader related, could be due to the machines drivers and other fators that haven't been addressed yet by your company.
Notice, some companies have Windows 10 machines, and others do not yet.
If you are talking about the security releases, this will happen, due to people being after Microsofts system.
Microsoft has also upped the money they are giving people that find security flaws, or new ones.
I'm not here defending them, because frankly, I don't believe they need defending here.
I am here to say, Microsoft ask people not to upgrade early unless they wwere tech savvy.
Not saying you aren't, but I'll bet you have notices on your screen you don't see, because your screen reader doesn't tell you.
Give it time.
I also note from your other post, you seem to have lots of issues with your systems in general.
Some, I'm not sure why, others I understand, but I think you are one that probably should have waited.
Sorry friend.
Smile.
I'm using windows seven, and have no plans to upgrade to ten right now. Even though windows ten is out, I still have something in my system tray that says, get windows ten. Is there any way I can get rid of this icon?
Because statistically none of you have read the privacy policy, user agreement, or TOS that came along with this upgrade, I'll do you all a solid, and show you what you agreed to.
http://www.cheatsheet.com/gear-style/windows-10-privacy-the-issues-you-need-to-know-about.html/?a=viewall
I've reverted back to Windows 8.1 Wayne, anyway. I didn't really have any problems with Win 10 except for Jaws freezing. When this is fixed, I will gladly use 10. It could be that my machine doesn't support all the latest drivers, though.
Well, again, I'm going to get 10 on a flash drive whenever NVDA gets updated for windows 10, the devs say that a new version should be out by the end of the month. And, again, he couldn't do a hing in the start menu, because that error kept coming up all the time, and that system he had, updated on it's own, even when he told it not to do it. The rehab people in Illinois was who gave him that pc, but he isn't in Illinois anymore, so now nothing can be done about it.
Man, I don't know what you all are talking about either. I upgraded to windows 10, and after only a very minor mishap that required a simple clean reinstallation of JAWS, I have no issues with it whatsoever. I literally picked up and started going right where I left off. I think the major issue is that a lot of people probably have outdated machines. Windows 7 machines are at least 5 years old or whenever the heck the OS came out. So, a lot of you guys should probably look at upgrading your PC's before you upgrade your operating systems as was suggested previously.
Just update drivers.
The machines are perfectly fine, but if you don't keep drivers, and windows updates and other programs updated, you will experience issues.
As to what we agreed to, you either agree, or use something else.
Everyone, even Apple, makes you agree to things.
Talking about held at gun point. Lol
A couple ways to make the message go away, or hide it.
The first way.
Restart your computer, so that everything is cleared up or mostly, because maybe you’ve got things that start when your computer does.
Press Windows T. That brings you to your taskbar.
Press tab until you hear notification chevron button.
In some cases just allow the computer to rest there and use your up arrow to find customize.
If not, go ahead and press enter on the notification chevron button, than arrow up to customize and press enter.
Tab to turn system icons on or off.
Note, is the show all icons is checked, you’ll need to uncheck this. That is the next one down.
Use your tab key to go through the settings.
The Windows 10 will be one of them.
To set something, use the arrow key up or down and put it on what you want and just leave it. Press the tab key to move to the next.
Tab to okay.
The next method is to type notification area icons or just notification icons in your search box.
Tab and click on Turn system notifications on or off.
If it doesn’t go, tab once more and uncheck the box that says always show all icons because that is stopping you.
Now click the first one.
Tab through again, and set them as you like, and tab to okay.
Here's the thing. you got a year to do the free update. you got time.
I saw a post on facebook from someone who attended a panel regarding W10 and JFW. They said that even the FS people recommended buying a new machine for W10 but keeping your old one as a primary machine because of accessibility issues. That has finally justified the purchase of a Mac for me. I am 100 percent over all this crap. Bring on Christmas!
they also suggested people should consider waiting for jaws17 to come out.
People, you all really need to learn how to wait a while instead of jumping on the latest and greatest.
or jump on the latest and greatest knowing what kinda issues could arise.
Nonsense about the machines.
The specs for Windows 10 are no different then for 8.1.
Low specs.
Some folks have lots of junk in the systems, so probably should do a clean install, but I would hope Microsoft suggest this after a while.
you can run windows 7, 8.1 or 10 on pretty old hardware. some boxes from 2006 and 2007 would run them ok. slow on the bootup, have to do a little waiting around but can work.
Windows 10 may be better with process utilization too, meaning it'll work better on older hardware than even 7 did.
Microsoft tried to force me to upgrade by making it a part of windows update. I canceled it and the faillure opened a hole in my system which I patched just minutes ago. So, already I've had a bad experience. Thanks a lot Microsoft.
Doesn't work that way exactly unless you reserved it.
They don't just give it to you, and you should have the option to install it whenever you want.
The option to reserve is in updates, but not Windows.
They are not forcing anyone to update.
also if you know which update to uninstall/hide from windows update, the reserve will never bother you again.
if you want to never see anything about windows 10 again and it is in your system trey, go and uninstall KB3035583 from windows update, then be sure to hide it so it doesn't show that particular update again.
I'd just remove the icon. No sweat as par instructions above.
As I’ve written on other boards, I elected to wait until Windows 10 was shipped to me for my personal systems.
After spending just a short time with it, I find it just Windows, is about the best way I can describe it.
Mine runs smoothly, and the update process was simple.
I let it start, and once finished, Jaws came back so I could log in, than narrator came on for me to finish the last two pages, or clicks really, then it went off on its own.
So, Nathan, because your new computer was reformatted, or whatever happened to you to make you do this on a brand new machine, here is what I suggest you do.
Microsoft is installing Windows free. Take your computer to a Microsoft store, and explain you want them to install it for you as a signature copy.
They’ll cover your drivers, and whatever, and I believe you’ll find Windows 10 to be smooth.
For you to have a new computer, I couldn’t see why you had experienced all the problems you’ve posted here.
The current machine I installed it on is almost 3 years old.
I’ll do my newer machine soon, but I am only doing one at a time.
Edge is easy to change from being default under settings and customizations, and so I changed to IE.
I have Chrome, and Firefox too, but will try IE until Jaws it better with Edge.
As to Jaws freezing, it doesn’t actually freeze.
What you were experiencing is Windows tip messages getting in the way, so Jaws wasn’t frozen.
As I use this more I’ll help you, but this is my first impressions for the final version anyway.
I’d say anyone that wishes to upgrade and keeps their machines updated, and clean should not fear it at all.
Again, it is just Windows.
I’m posting this using it.
Enjoy.
I should have added "your milage may vary. Lol
Last, because Jaws doesn't do well with what I call onscreen messages, turning of these tips, and such will make it run perfectly smooth.
This is all under customize.
That is undersettings, and that is on that Windows 7 lovers start. Lol
That was the first place I went.
If you've used Windows, you know you might need to make some changes as far as making your system more accessible.
Regarding old machines, my 2006 desktop is running Windows 10 with no new issues since the upgrade. I am not usually in a hurry to upgrade, but it was free and easy to do, and Jaws said it would work so why wait?
The only problem that affected me, as an ordinary computer user, were to do with Outlook not sending emails. I found a fix on the internet and followed the instructions, then the problem was solved. Admittedly I didn't do that for a while, and just used a different client instead.
The way to stop Jaws freezing if it does is to press the Windows key. Jaws will start speaking straight away. That is the only issue I have with Jaws, so again, no need for me to wait until JJaws 17 because I can already do what I could do before with Jaws.
Turn off these on screen messages, and Jaws will work better.
You don't need Windows tips, you already know how to use it.
I figured it'd work well on older hardware. If it'll run windows 7, then it'll run windows 10 just fine.
MS is really good about letting very old hardware work with new OS'S's.
Sure. You figured correctly.
my 2006 era PC came with windows XP and so will run 10 ok.
I think (but am not sure) that it'll run it better than it runs Windows 7
I noticed I made a mistake in my description.
When I say I went to customization, and that was undersetting’s, I meant under settings you will find things that you use to customize your windows experience.
Click on each topic, and you’ll find things you can change, or just know what is available to you.
I find this post out of date and correction NVDA does not work well on some laptops running Win10. I currently have to use jaws do not mind. Sorry, my thoughts about NVDA will be left alone, it will start a flame war. Most who love do not have to use NVDA in a corpaarte world and need to look at PDF files that are images or have work past on because NVDA can not currently read image f=pdf files. I'll leave the rest bee at this time.
There are so many system configs out there that I can see how this may be the case.
Yes, true John.
I’ve updated my second personal machine, and I’m still impressed with Windows 10.
If you have more than one machine you use, you may notice the setup looks a little different depending on what was on your start and what OS you come from to Windows 10.
This second machine never had anything but Windows 8, where, my laptop had Windows 7.
Both my editions are the pro.
I have seen others say Jaws doesn’t work par, but I haven’t found anything I can’t do yet after I turned off the Windows tips.
You have other on screen messages as well, but so far I’ve not had any blindness with these popping up, only the few seconds they are displaying.
Some read, others I’m not sure due to not trying.
Jaws speaks most of them for you as usual.
I suspect performance will improve with Jaws 17, and the beta should be available soon to try.
I don't know, it works fine to me however.
This install, for whatever reasons required assist. I canceled it out twice, so had a helper do the clicking.
I always suggest with these major upgrades to have sighted assist on hand if at all possible, but Windows 10 is perfectly accessible to install alone too.
Maybe I just got lazy? Smile.
This install also took a long time. Maybe it was Saturday, and everyone was after it, I’m not sure.
My first install when quickly.
I was in a different area, not home, so I wonder if that made a difference as to how many people were trying to access the server.
Anyway, that is all conjecture, because my connection at home is faster, or same as that one, so the technical has ghost.
Good luck again for all trying.
Maybe soon we can use Edge with ease for Jaws users.
I haven't bothred to update yet.
I did my parents surface Pro and it went ok.
Wayne did you go with a local account or have you used the Microsoft Account? what are your thoughts?
My dad agrees with me that the Surface Pro p performs better with Windows 10, however t it runs hotter.
BTW so you know the specs on that... Core I5 third gen, 64GB SSD, 4 GG DDR3 ram, 802.11N.
I use Microsoft accounts, so these were already setup on both my machines.
Undersettings, you can change to local just like on Windows 8.
I don't know if local, or Microsoft is better.
I like Microsoft because I use office, and a couple other services, so once I type my password, all my stuff is ready.
Both computers are same as well, so all my devices link.
I do think my laptop performs better with Windows 10, but that might be due to the OS installation cleaning up arrors.
It is smoother.
Because Edge is the default, if you need to set up a Microsoft account, and you want to do it from the icon, first change your default browser to one you like better.
Now, the web page comes to you on the one you like, and you can use it like you own it.
You can also just open the one you like, and go directly to the account page.
If you have a new computer that doesn't have other browsers installed, you'll want to get one.
If Edge is the issue, when you setup the new computer, have your assistant also load your favorite and wen installing, choose to make it default.
I have thought about setting up the PIN, instead of a password, just like on a mobile phone, but for now, I think I'll stick to the pass.
When are you bitting the bullet John?
eh. I can always go back if I don't like it
How does OneDrive work on the new system?
I depend on OneDrive.
I am pretty sure the app has changed from Windows 7 to 10.
there are reason to use a Microsoft account as you stated, syncing settings is one of them.
No. One drive is the same and works a bit smoother.
Is it true that, when you upgrade, if you remain connected to the internet, you have to create a Microsoft account before the setup will continue?
It's not a huge deal if that's the case, but I was just wondering. I can just disconnect the cable before I start the installation process.
As for me, I'm going to wait until Jaws 17 comes out, for the smoothest experience possible when upgrading. When that happens, I'll be taking the plunge.
I personally already had Microsoft account set up, so I don't know.
However, if that is the case, you can use any email address as your address.
It can be gmail, yahoo, or whatever.
So, creating a Microsoft account is no big deal, and if you do have issues, you can always redownload your products.
Once you have it setup, you do not have to sign in to your computer with it, but can use local sign in.
To keep things as smooth as possible, if this is the case, I'd creat it before I did the upgrade and remain connected.
I have this opinion, because you won't have a default browser set up, and Edge isn't working well at this time for Jaws users.
After I was all set, I changed my default, and haven't had to deal with Edge at all.
The program has to be downloaded and such, and your system reboots several times.
You can go to windows.com and research that information however.
You can say that it doesn't force you but it tried to force me. At least something claiming to be windows update accessed my system.
You can still create a local account if you wish too. While I believe there are reasons to have an MS account, you do not have to create one if you don't want too.
Do not do an upgrade while disconnected from the internet. MS will need to activate windows and creates a unique hardware key tied to your spasific system so you get the free windows 10.
I strongly agree John.
You can do all this over the phone, but soon as you reconnect, Microsofts going to invade you to some degree, so what are you avoiding?
As to forced, unless you reserve it, nothing happens.
It is in Windows update, but you have to go through several stpes to even install it.
It just doesn't do it.
I've been working on several machines the owners wish not to update and haven't seen it force, or even try to force the update.
Maybe someone reserved it on your computer.
Now, it is there, because they assume you want it. You asked for it, right? Smile.
I'm not sure who would reserve it. I own the damn thing and I'm set as admin.
if you creat a local account, They only invade you (if you do the upgrade) for the soul purpis to create that unique hardware key (so you can do a clean install of Windows 10) if you wish too
Ok. But if I do create a Microsoft account, I can log in, create a local admin account, and never use it again, right? Because I definitely do not want something cloud based as my primary account.
Am I also understanding correctly that you won't get the free product key if you disconnect your internet, and then reconnect it once you get past the creation of a local account? Because I thought I read that you only get the new key if you click skip this step when it asks you for a product key anyway.
My upgrade did all the work as to keys and such.
You don't even, or ever have to log on after the install, but can just use a local account.
This is in the settings.
You can even make your computer not have a password to log on at all if you desire.
I forgot. You can log on to a computer using the password you created for Microsoft, even if the computers not connected.
So, yes, you have services that are in the cloud, but you don't need to use them.
True, but there is no point in using a cloud account, if you are not going to be using the features. BEcause at that point, MS is uploading a shit load of info about what you do with your computer, for nothing in exchange.
Oh, by the way, If you're running Cortanna, you've given microsoft permission to scan and modify files on your computer at will, if Microsoft believes they are pirated content, or harmful to your user experience. Have fun with that.
Has anyone upgraded a low-cost laptop such as an HP Stream 13 to windows 10? I want windows 10 but not on my main box. I want to be able to test it on a test device, so debated about getting one of the lowest cost laptops possible to do this.
Rent a machine for a week.
It will already have it installed, or you just add your screen reader on 40 minute mode.
Whenever you install major softwear, Apple, or Microsoft, you are giving permission for lots of things.
I don't think Microsoft has any upfront motive to do any modification to your system you can't control.
if they did that, that would be a shame.
I'm not worried about privacy issues with MS. I just don't want my main or backup box having 10. yes I know i will upgrade them all anyway, and I've done it on all of my parents computers, but for myself personally? nah. I am well aware you can go back to your previous OS within 30 days though hear the icons for programs aren't put back correctly, so you'll need to manually hunt them down to reput shourtcuts on your desktop or do reinstalls. Has anyone done the upgrade to 10 then went back to their previous OS? how has that experience went?
I have not, but I understand your computer returns to exactly like you had it before.
When I was installing 10 on my desktop, it failed twice and each time it rebooted, all my settings returned back to what I had.
There is a program you can install that can back up all your stuff even past the 30 days.
I talked about it some place, but if you like, I'll look it up?
On your new computers, you can always reset to factory, then load your backup as well?
I could use something like Xclone to clone the drive , or just do a system image in windows 7 before upgrading I suppose.
Sure, but it just isn't that involved.
If you just upgrade normally, you can go back.
Rent a machine for a week. Maybe 40 bucks, and you can see how things will work if you are afraid.
I updated my laptop, because it isn't my working machine first.
Used it a few days, 1 to be exact, liked it, so got on. Lol
I don't want harmful files on my computer, so if Microsoft removes them, or my protection software removes them, that's good. There is no need for anybody to be using pirated software nowadays. If all Microsoft does about that is remove it, that's a bit soft. They should develop some way of contacting the police so that the crimminals can be sent to the place where criminals belong - prison!
I haven't seen any Windows tips on my machine so I presume they are disabled. I like the options for customising the Start Menu so it isn't too cluttered.
The notifications about NVDA are annoying. The most annoying thing is they appear even if you aren't using NVDA. No other programme has the notifications, but I am sure NVDA was updated more recently than some of the software I have on my machine.
I know how to disable notifications but prefer not to have all notifications disabled. I think the Notification Centre is easier to use than the Windows 8.1 equivalent.
maybe I should upgrade my secondary backup device first (which usually just sits there unused and only pull it out if I'm traveling or if my main box goes down and I have to send it into Lenovo.
I'd not rely on Microsoft removing harmful files, they'd just block them if they are interacting with their services.
They do offer in OS security, so that would be for that, or if you've noticed for a really long time each month when you install updates, you also install a cleaning tool.
I personally have not sceen that tool work, because I run third party security software, but it should do something.
The malicious software tool, is what I'm thinking of.
We get one each month along with updates.
Sure John, that be an idea.
I don't think you personally will have any issues.
If you are not sure, just have one of your household sit in with you while you are doing it to tell you anything you are not sure about.
If Microsoft removed files from your computer, be it pirated or otherwise, that would be malicious behavior. If that is Microsoft's policy then I am disgusted.
It be in invasion of privacy as well.
It's not happening.
Ok so I got it installed and help to get the uninstall of jaws and reinstall to fix the video intercept issues. opinion? its not ready for prime time yet. If you want to use the programs you had already from your previous installation, you'll have no problems. but things like the store, the apps and even signing into a Microsoft Account/using Cortana don't work so well from an accessibility standpoint. I'm personally holding off on upgrading anything other than my small core I3 11-inch secondary backup device.
and I'm sure as hell not upgrading anybody who relys on screene reading access yet.
Ah, but you didn't change your default browser before you tried to sign up for a Microsoft account.
That was a must do.
Next, you probably didn't run the tool Freedom Scientific has to get you ready for Windows 10.
I've posted all this.
I use it daily, and sign in to Microsoft, or out easy.
Infact, to sign on to my computer, I use Microsoft account. I don't use a local account.
I use Office, shop, and do anything else I did when I was running 8.
The only thing I can't use is the Edge properly, but that isn't a problem, andCortana .
I didn't expect to be able to use these, because Microsoft, and Freedom Scientific stated I not be.
Maybe Microsoft should post a bulletin for people that use screen readers specificly.
They have posted information, but it is not in a block form.
I was successful installing this witch on two of my personal machines, and I didn't reinstall anything at all.
I am sorry you didn't have a good experience with it John. It is really pretty good. Smile.
But, okay. Others will have issues, I do understand.
I like it. Smile.
I use it daily, and have nothing else running at all.
I thought I’d say this, because I’m one of the few here that isn’t having a problem with Windows 10 who’s posted.
I have a few glitches, but these are not Windows fault.
Skype. I have the newest version of Skype. If I don’t cause Jaws to read, or move it to a different Windows when I hang up a call, it locks up Jaws.
If I move it, no problem, or allow the caller to hang up first.
Move to far down in a list, when in the setting section, causes messages to display on the screen, or whatever Jaws can’t see, so my computer will go quiet maybe 20 seconds. I just sit tight, and all is well.
To avoid this, click home when you are finished.
When using Outlook and spell check, sometimes Jaws doesn’t see the choices. This doesn’t happen all the time, but some.
Otherwise, I just find Windows 10 to be smooth and responsive.
I use my computers as always.
I’ve even had several things update, and these make my experience better.
For anyone upgrading, I’d make sure I had all drivers up to date.
I’d run the tool Freedom Scientific provides for Jaws users.
Soon as Windows 10 is installed, I’d change the default browser to IE, or any other you have installed, or all things that go out will go through Edge, and that will cause problems.
I’d turn off all onscreen alerts, or at least the tips, because these might bother you.
Last, I’d open all the programs I use daily, or use the button on the start that says update all apps, to make sure all my stuff was Windows 10 able.
That is the key to my success.
Oh, I forgot. I installed all the optional updates Microsoft has been releasing for months.
If you haven't, get them all before the update.
I also had Windows update set to give me updates for other stuff on my computer.
I received several of these as well.
I grabbed the optional updates; I personally always do that and I encourage others to do the same.
I also grabbed all of the optional updates from Windows 7 before upgrading to 10. No I forgot about running that tool, but there weren't any previous versions of jaws installed. just that latest 16 build. when I first rebooted it said I had video intercept issues and to reboot which I did. then the start menu didn't read (FS said this may happen.) so I did a total uninstall of jaws including all user settings and did a reboot before doing a fresh clean install of Jaws. Yes I did change the default to IE. I tried to use the mail app, which has issues. the entire reason I'm excited about windows 10 not because of what I've used before, but the future of new modern apps. I want to be able to use the facebook app. I did try the news app as I thought I remembered FS saying that was one of the things that they made work with jaws and it seems to work well. It'll all get there.
I spoke to FS and they said that they are aware of the signing in issue and I'm not the only one to have this problem. I called MS and they said they are aware of it too. they are both in bed working on fixing it.
I'm gonna keep it installed and use the 11 incher as a toy.
Some of the apps aren't seeable yet, but it is generally working for me.
I believe, you should have run the tool anyway, even though you have the latest version.
It did some other things to the Jaws settings.
I want to correct a statement.
I don’t mean you personally John.
What I should have written, is I think anyone upgrading should run the tool for Jaws due to it changing other settings, no matter what version they are running.
This is a technical discussion, not personal, and I again, understand some people won’t have the same experiences for several reasons.
ok, if you know you have the latest build and that is the only thing running, why run the tool? exactly what other settings could it possibly c changing? considering its soul purpis is to remove older versions of jaws on the system? when I did the uninstall of jaws I had sited help. I can asure you there was nothing left in the uninstall programs applet that said anything about Freedom Scientific, so I'm positive this was a clean install of Jaws.
You have video issues for one.
Freedom Scientific didn't give the break down on all the tool does, but it changes some settings as well.
wel yeah, but the video issue are fixed now. and I can read my start menyu yay!
And my guess is the tool cleans up registry entries/keys that may possibly be left behind after uninstall.
all it does is uninstall older versions of jaws. it doesn't change system settings. so yes, my clean install was just that. a clean install
Sure, if you installed it clean, you did good.
I just ran the tool however, and never had to do anything else at all.
I wonder if different models of computers act differently.
Dell, HP, Lenovo, like that.
That shouldn't be so, but I wonder.
shouldn't be, but with so many driver configs....
Doesn't seem like it should but who the hell knows anymore?